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Jinmeyou Kanji - why 644 characters? #226

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ThomasLeigh opened this issue Dec 22, 2024 · 5 comments
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Jinmeyou Kanji - why 644 characters? #226

ThomasLeigh opened this issue Dec 22, 2024 · 5 comments

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@ThomasLeigh
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I've just finished Kanji Jouyou and going to learn further characters, starting with Jinmeiyou. Looking into characters sets within Kanji Dojo I'm little confused...

Why the Jinmeiyou Kanji set within Kanji Dojo has 644 characters, while it is said that Jinmeiyou Kanji equals 863 characters?

I thought that maybe Jinmeiyou variant of Jouyou (which equals 130 characters) are part of it, but in such a case 644+130=774 characters, still not 863.

@ThomasLeigh
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@syt0r I'd like to keep going my study, starting with Jinmeiyou, but I'm not sure what to do in such a case, could You please clarify the matter?

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syt0r commented Dec 23, 2024

This classification is from the kanjidic project, you can read more details about grade classification here: https://www.edrdg.org/wiki/index.php/KANJIDIC_Project

If it doesn't fit your needs you can create your own deck

@ThomasLeigh
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@syt0r Thank You for the quick response, I appreciate it.

If it doesn't fit your needs you can create your own deck

Yes, but I'm afraid that - if the character count doesn't match the official Jinmeiyou set - the lacking characters I couldn't be able to add to Kanji Dojo, because there may not be available within it, the app may not know them.

@ThomasLeigh
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@syt0r The website You've linked states:

G9 and G10 indicate jinmeiyō ("for use in names") kanji which in addition to the jōyō kanji are approved for use in family name registers and other official documents. G9 (649 kanji, of which 640 are in KANJIDIC) indicates the kanji is a "regular" name kanji, and G10 (212 kanji of which 130 are in KANJIDIC) indicates the kanji is a variant of a jōyō kanji.

Thus one can conclude that:

  1. KANJIDIC does not cover complete Kanji Jinmeiyou set (G9 lacks 9 characters, G10 lacks 82 characters).
  2. Even 649+212 (=861) still does not equal 863 characters defined by Wikipedia as the current Jinmeiyou set.
  3. Thus Kanji Dojo also does not cover the official current Jinmeyou set fully :( . Could it cover it in the future?

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syt0r commented Dec 23, 2024

If something is missing then it's probably either missing in KANJIDIC database or KanjiVG source with kanji strokes, so I can't help with that

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